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DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby Lowendtech » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:17 pm

Hi all, I'm curious to know if the DNS410/8 or the DNS210/8 can be rewired to 4ohms. I'm suspecting that the 210 can not be done. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Richard

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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby RipVanDan » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:30 pm

Hi Richard,

Probably should wait for Armin to come by because I'm sure he knows what the ohms of the speakers used in the cabs really are. However I don't know of any 8 ohm cabs that can be rewired to 4 ohms.

Usually the 210's are two 4 ohm speakers wired in series. If that's the starting point, then you can only wire them at 8 ohms by hooking them up in series or at 2 ohms by wiring them in parallel. 4 ohms is not an option. If they use two 16 ohm speakers, then you can only wire them up at 32 ohms in serial, or 8 ohms in parallel...still no 4 ohm option.

In the 410, it's fairly common to use 8 ohm speakers and wire each pair of them in series to make 16 ohms per pair, and then wire the pairs in parallel to turn it into an 8 ohm cabinet. Remember wiring in series adds ohms and in parallel cuts ohms load. Only other thing you could turn that into would be a 32 ohm cabinet.

I think that they use 16 ohm speakers in the DS410 4 ohm cabinet. With 16 ohm speakers you can wire each pair in parallel to get two pair at 8 ohms each and then wire those two pair in parallel for a 4 ohm cabinet. Problem is you can't make those four 16 ohm speakers into an 8 ohm cabinet with 4 speakers.

So unless Armin has another solution I haven't thought of or David is using speaker combinations differently, I don't think you can do it.

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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby Lowendtech » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:06 pm

Dan, you are a student of our game. Your explanation rings true. Unless Armln has different info, I believe you are correct. I just had to ask the experts. Thanks.
Richard

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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby TobiasMan » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:24 pm

Dan's got it right, unless David did something radical with the drivers in the DNS cabs, but I'm thinking not.
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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby Bassmann1968 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:34 am

Dan the man did it again!
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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby RipVanDan » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:48 am

Hey Armin...I just pay attention when you explain things and learn from you.
Dan
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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby Bassmann1968 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:01 pm

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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby Lowendtech » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:30 am

Okay, I may be getting too many gears going in my head at the same time but I have another question on this topic.
I read in another very informative forum that (and I think it was Dan that posted this) that you could rewire an 410 8 ohm cab to a two ohm cab. (so much info makes my head spin but it's fun). Could you do this with a DNS410/8?
Sub question; If so, could it be switchable (8-2ohms)
Question 2; If possible, would the earlier DC210xlt Metro head power the rewired DNS410/8 nicely? Pros vs Cons?
I only ask as I may have found one at a good price and I am curious as to the options I may have with it.
Thanks for your patience.
Richard

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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby RipVanDan » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:18 pm

Lowendtech wrote:Okay, I may be getting too many gears going in my head at the same time but I have another question on this topic.
I read in another very informative forum that (and I think it was Dan that posted this) that you could rewire an 410 8 ohm cab to a two ohm cab. (so much info makes my head spin but it's fun). Could you do this with a DNS410/8?
Sub question; If so, could it be switchable (8-2ohms)
Question 2; If possible, would the earlier DC210xlt Metro head power the rewired DNS410/8 nicely? Pros vs Cons?
I only ask as I may have found one at a good price and I am curious as to the options I may have with it.
Thanks for your patience.


Hey Lowendtech!

Presuming that the DNS410-8 uses four 8 ohm speakers, you could wire the sets of 2 speakers in parallel which will give you 8 ohms for the pair. Then wire the two 8 ohm pairs in parallel and that will take it to 2 ohms. Voila!

As far as making a switch to change it back and forth from 2 ohms to 8 ohms, I'm sure it could be done but Armin would have to tell you how to do that. Seems to me that someone did that over on the Eden forum, but I think they did a 16 ohm to 4 ohm switch. Seems to me like it might take a lot of soldering because you'd have to wire it both ways and then toggle it between them???? Uh-oh...now my head is starting to hurt...Armin????

Dan
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Cabs: DNS-410-8, DNS-210-8, two each Eden EX112-4
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Re: DNA CAB Wiring question

Postby Lowendtech » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:49 pm

Thanks for the reply Dan. I thought I had seen you post that info before. I was just curious if I snagged this Metro, could I run the DNS410/8 at 2 ohms by itself from the Metro head as another rig option. (I think too much I suppose). I don't think that combining the DNS410/8 with the D210xlt/8 that's in the combo would be a good mix. But I could be wrong. A couple of 12's or another 210 might be a better extension option from the Metro and leave the DNS410/8 as a stand alone 8ohm for my WT500. 2x12 would fix me good.
I feel a little bloated. Gasgasgas.
Richard

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Fender Am Dlx Jazz, Fender 60th anniversary P, G&L SB-2 Fretless, G&L L-2000, Fender MIM Jazz,


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